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chance1234 Georgian Priest
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 152 Location: The bad end of a royal shafting
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: You want me to do what now? |
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This is more of a venting as I am particularly annoyed.
On top of all the annoying stuff I have to deal with every day made by people 'higher' up than me and never communicating the changes down to me, they decided they needed to make our lives even more difficult.
One of the many things that bothers me is that when one person screws something up, everyone in the department/company gets 'punished'. For instance, someone that is not on my team had an accident with the company van. My group does use it more often but we only drive it across the street downtown to carry a lot of heavy equipment so the mileage we put on it doesn't even come close to adding up to that put on but the other groups allowed to use it. During the summer, my team barely ever use it. It is quicker to walk over with the stuff on a cart. Yet, when they decided some initiative had to be taken to show how concerned with 'safety' the company is, they put it on us to check the tire pressure each week and mark it down in a logbook kept in the office. What the flaming hell does that have to do with anything? Because someone not with our team was a complete moron and has the judgement of a 10 year old, you want us to remember to add yet another completely token gesture to our routine just so it looks like you are doing something about safety? You want us to wash the windows too and check the oil?
Add this to the list. Because a clueless luser with the brain the size of a peanut and control over some company cash got taken in, or almost taken in, by some stupid phishing scam, they MADE all of us take a pointless online fraud prevention course. WTF? Are you high?
So now we come to today. They have decided to screw us again by sending us on a 2 week work trip where we will work for 13 hours a day, 7 days a week and stay in shared accomodations. As a 'reward', a whole week off is given after returning. This is how this translates to me:
"We are going to put you on a plane where you will suffer terribly because your allergies cause you congestion and the altitude makes your head want to burst. Then when you arrive we want you to have none of the privacy you value in your life and work like a dog with no downtime after work. And since you will be away from the office for 3 weeks total, we will just dump all the work you missed back home on you. We chose to completely inconvenience your lives because our billion dollar company thought it would be too complicated to hire people from that country to do the work instead. So to make it easier on us can you get your passport and make all the travel arrangements? As an added bonus, you will be continuing to make this trip every 6-8 weeks until we decide it is time to stop."
I should probably make a threat against the president or something. Maybe then they'll stop me from entering the country. |
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MikeP Ambiguusum Facetia

Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 2570 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: You want me to do what now? |
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If you haven't already got a passport, don't get one unless they pay for it.
Also, don't make any travel arrangements - that's their job, not yours.
And finally, shared accommodation is just unacceptable.
I am being sent to TechEd later this month along with 8 others - and we all have separate rooms.
If you are required by your employer to be away from home then they can pay for it (even if it's an enjoyable trip like TechEd ). _________________ It's hard to be a prima donna with your arm up a cow's backside - msualexis |
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Severine Hands of the Bear

Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 12378 Location: Stepford, USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'd start clubbing folks like baby harp seals. But that's just me when I get frustrated. _________________ I never cease being dumbfounded by the unbelievable things people believe. - Leo Rosten
Why should the printerer be any more stable and reliable than you, $luser? Lead by example, you'll stun us all. - Toaster Fairy |
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AwesomeSoldSeparately Apostle of George

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Posts: 43
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: You want me to do what now? |
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| MikeP wrote: | | If you haven't already got a passport, don't get one unless they pay for it. |
Meh. I disagree on that one (but agree on the others). I've always viewed non-industry specific licensing to be my responsibility. I don't ask my company pay for my drivers-license renewal, for instance.
In any event, it's less then a hundred bucks. _________________ "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
-Bertrand Russell |
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Rizak the Really Horrible Roseum Natium

Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 16339 Location: Dead center of funny.
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:52 am Post subject: |
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If it were me, I'd just show up at the airport without a passport claiming that it wasn't in my job description to NEED one. Then, everyone else can go do this stupid thing and I'd get to stay at home like I wanted in the first place. _________________ I am the drunkest man on the moon. |
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DocDubious Siamese Monogamist

Joined: 06 Mar 2003 Posts: 3400 Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:58 am Post subject: Re: You want me to do what now? |
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| AwesomeSoldSeparately wrote: | | MikeP wrote: | | If you haven't already got a passport, don't get one unless they pay for it. |
Meh. I disagree on that one (but agree on the others). I've always viewed non-industry specific licensing to be my responsibility. I don't ask my company pay for my drivers-license renewal, for instance.
In any event, it's less then a hundred bucks. |
If you lived a block away from work and didn't have a driver's license, and then they demanded you take a business trip to another city, would you still feel that way?
If you did not have passport before, and only need it for their use, then I could see the argument that it's a business expense. _________________ There is NOTHING worn under my kilt. It is all in complete working order. |
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Woodman668 Champion of the Psyche
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 1698 Location: Where I is.
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:15 am Post subject: |
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At the least I would claim it as a deduction on my taxes. Or just file it with the rest of my expenses with the company, if I was doing expense reports.
If they are sending a group of you why wouldn't they handle the travel? It would be cheaper to send you as a group I would think. I wonder if someone is taking a side trip and doesn't want to get snagged.
Though, it would be a good opportunity to take a week somewhere different afterwards, assuming wherever you are going is near somewhere cool.
But I'm sure, while you have the option of not dong it, they have the option of not employing you. _________________ Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam |
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AwesomeSoldSeparately Apostle of George

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Posts: 43
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: You want me to do what now? |
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| DocDubious wrote: |
If you lived a block away from work and didn't have a driver's license, and then they demanded you take a business trip to another city, would you still feel that way?
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I already have a passport/DL... would I be right to demand reimbursement in this scenario? I'm required to maintain a dress code... should I demand they buy my shirts/pants? *shrug* A passport isn't a big deal. It isn't like a specialized industry certification where the cost might be exorbitant and is completely unusable in a personal context. The biggest problem with getting a passport is the time it takes... do that on company time.  _________________ "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
-Bertrand Russell |
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DocDubious Siamese Monogamist

Joined: 06 Mar 2003 Posts: 3400 Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: You want me to do what now? |
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| AwesomeSoldSeparately wrote: | | DocDubious wrote: |
If you lived a block away from work and didn't have a driver's license, and then they demanded you take a business trip to another city, would you still feel that way?
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I already have a passport/DL... would I be right to demand reimbursement in this scenario? |
Nope, 'cause you already had it, for your own use, and it doesn't cost you anything to also use it for them.
But that's not the case here - chance doesn't have a passport, and so we can presume he doesn't need or want it for personal use - so it's an expense to him for company benefit.
To extend your analogy: You ask if we should expec the company to pay for dress clothes. No, since you could wear them elsewhere. But if it were a specialized piece of clothing, like a branded uniform (that you wouldn't wear anywhere else), then yes, I'd think they should. _________________ There is NOTHING worn under my kilt. It is all in complete working order. |
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dakboy Tech Whore

Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Posts: 11401 Location: New New York
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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How soon is this work trip? If you don't have a passport, is there enough time to get one on the "normal" schedule, or will you have to pay triple to get the rush service?
If the latter, the company definitely should be paying the difference between regular & rush service, if not the whole thing. _________________
| ANHWizard wrote: | | Just one more word out of you-just ONE-and I swear that I will go over to your office, unplug your keyboard, and see just how many hits with a keyboard does it take to get to the juicy tootsie roll center that is your brain. |
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AwesomeSoldSeparately Apostle of George

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Posts: 43
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: You want me to do what now? |
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| DocDubious wrote: | | No, since you could wear them elsewhere. |
So, is the test "This is somehting I could use outside of work?" - if so, then a passport passes that test as well.
But hay... if you can convince them to reimburse you for part or some of the cost then more power to you.  _________________ "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
-Bertrand Russell |
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Kylun_Lionheart Georgian High Priest

Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 402 Location: Northern Chicago suburbs, IL
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Rizak the Really Horrible wrote: | | If it were me, I'd just show up at the airport without a passport claiming that it wasn't in my job description to NEED one. Then, everyone else can go do this stupid thing and I'd get to stay at home like I wanted in the first place. |
One instance that I can remember, is a couple of people had to go over to $company's facilities in India.
They had their passports, of course.
Something that they didn't have (through no fault of their own, $company didn't think enough to even let them know) however, was the appropriate work visas to get into that country on a business basis. It wasn't made clear if they got stopped before they left the US, or if they happened to get stopped before getting on the connecting flight while in Europe...Just seem to remember them stating the $airline gate attendant stating, "We are very sorry, but if we let you onto that flight, you will be deported, and we will receive a heavy fine." _________________ PFC RAY J. HUTCHINSON USA INFANTRY
2/502 KIA 7 DEC 2003 IRAQ
He did his duty.
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"Then the network comes back up. And then down again. Up... and down. It keeps going down like a Clinton intern."--Hasufin |
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MikeP Ambiguusum Facetia

Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 2570 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: You want me to do what now? |
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| AwesomeSoldSeparately wrote: | | DocDubious wrote: | | No, since you could wear them elsewhere. |
So, is the test "This is somehting I could use outside of work?" - if so, then a passport passes that test as well.
But hay... if you can convince them to reimburse you for part or some of the cost then more power to you.  | Nope, for me it's pretty simple. If they want me to do something that is outside my normal business scope then they need to pay the expenses.
The test as I see it is:
Are they requiring me to pay for something that I wouldn't normally pay for?
If so, then I expect them to meet the cost.
This includes (but is not limited to):
- Meals (including lunches)
- Accommodation
- Taxi fares
- Car hire
- Parking costs
- Passport (if I don't have one already)
- Visas (ditto)
- Driver's license (ditto)
You could argue that I have to eat when at home, but food that I make myself is a lot cheaper than eating out.
I would not include things like sightseeing costs, parking/traffic fines etc. _________________ It's hard to be a prima donna with your arm up a cow's backside - msualexis |
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Woodman668 Champion of the Psyche
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 1698 Location: Where I is.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: Re: You want me to do what now? |
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| MikeP wrote: | | AwesomeSoldSeparately wrote: | | DocDubious wrote: | | No, since you could wear them elsewhere. |
So, is the test "This is somehting I could use outside of work?" - if so, then a passport passes that test as well.
But hay... if you can convince them to reimburse you for part or some of the cost then more power to you.  | Nope, for me it's pretty simple. If they want me to do something that is outside my normal business scope then they need to pay the expenses.
The test as I see it is:
Are they requiring me to pay for something that I wouldn't normally pay for?
If so, then I expect them to meet the cost.
This includes (but is not limited to):
- Meals (including lunches)
- Accommodation
- Taxi fares
- Car hire
- Parking costs
- Passport (if I don't have one already)
- Visas (ditto)
- Driver's license (ditto)
You could argue that I have to eat when at home, but food that I make myself is a lot cheaper than eating out.
I would not include things like sightseeing costs, parking/traffic fines etc. |
Cell phones, smart phones, and used to be pagers are another issue. Can you be pressured into buying a phone that your office wants you to use? What if you could do some crap from home if you had it? Or prep for your morning while riding in your carpool? Just like a business laptop that ends up logging 50+ hours a week on facefarm or whatever, "office" cell phones are subject to abuse.
If your office requires one, great free phone!! But what I'm talking about is the pressure to get just a little more done in the same amount of time. Be able to check your email while scarfing down that big mac, so you don't miss the next big deal. That's a portion of what sent me over the edge to get on the list for an Evo, which still hasn't shown up. _________________ Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam |
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Technomistress Expello Pulvis

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 2551 Location: That twilight place 'twixt dreaming and waking...
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:48 am Post subject: Re: You want me to do what now? |
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| Woodman668 wrote: |
Cell phones, smart phones, and used to be pagers are another issue. Can you be pressured into buying a phone that your office wants you to use? What if you could do some crap from home if you had it? Or prep for your morning while riding in your carpool? Just like a business laptop that ends up logging 50+ hours a week on facefarm or whatever, "office" cell phones are subject to abuse.
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This is why I refuse to give work my cell phone number. They don't (and won't) pay for any portion of my cell phone bill, so they ain't gonna be calling me on it. I have given it to certain people at work, because I trust them not to call me unless it's an "ohmigod the office has exploded" situation. If work wants me to carry a cell phone for business reasons, then they can pay for it. _________________ Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
I'm a Twit now too! http://twitter.com/TechnoMistress |
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